RetroWARTHINK 027: FUBAR USN DID IT Again in WW2: Murdered 700x of its Own Men by Naval Stupidity
The 1942 screw-up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Langley_(CV-1)
USS Langley
(CV-1/AV-3) was the United States Navy's first aircraft carrier, converted in
1920 from the collier [EDITOR: bulk coal carrying ship] USS Jupiter (Navy
Fleet Collier No. 3), and also the US Navy's first turbo-electric-powered ship.
Conversion of another collier was planned but canceled when the Washington
Naval Treaty required the cancellation of the partially built Lexington-class
battlecruisers Lexington and Saratoga, freeing up their hulls for
conversion to the aircraft carriers Lexington and Saratoga. Langley
was named after Samuel Pierpont Langley, an American aviation pioneer.
Following another conversion to a seaplane tender, Langley fought
in World War II. On 27 February 1942, while ferrying a cargo of [32x] [wheeled]
USAAF P-40s to Java, she was attacked by 9x twin-engine Japanese
bombers[3] of the Japanese 21st and 23rd Naval Air Flotillas[2] and so
badly damaged that she had to be scuttled by her escorts [WHO HAD NO ORGANIC
AIR COVER].
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This
tragic loss of 700x Sailors screams out military incompetence on several
levels.
The USN
began WW2 fucked-up vividly portrayed in the epic, "In Harm's Way".
As the war raged, the USN began to get its collective act together but even in 1945 it was still FUBAR in many ways--but far better adapted to global naval war than today's abomination is.
THE USN
HAS YET TO FULLY GET ITS ACT TOGETHER FOR NAVAL WARFARE.
Think about
that.
Excellent
Innovations Squandered by USN Stupidity
QUOTE:
President
William H. Taft attended the ceremony when Jupiter's keel was laid down
on 18 October 1911, at the Mare Island Naval Shipyard in Vallejo,
California. She was launched on 14 August 1912, sponsored by Mrs. Thomas F.
Ruhm; and commissioned on 7 April 1913, under Commander Joseph M. Reeves.[4]
Her sister ships were Cyclops, which disappeared without a trace in
World War I, Proteus, and Nereus, both of which disappeared on
the same route as Cyclops in World War II. [EDITOR: the Bermuda
Triangle, people. How about that for INSANITY? Doing the same things over &
over expecting somehow a different result?]
Jupiter was the
first turbo-electric-powered ship of the U.S. Navy. Neptune had
been built with a steam turbine and geared drive--but performance was inferior
to the earlier Cyclops with its two triple expansion steam engines. Jupiter's
electric drive, designed by William Le Roy Emmet and built by the General
Electric Company, consisted of two electric motors, each directly connected to
a propeller shaft, powered by a single Curtis turbine and alternator set. At
2,000 rpm and 2,200 volts the set delivered a speed of 14 knots (26
km/h; 16 mph) [You can RUN faster than this. Yet the USMC LAW
requirement specifies this same fatally slow speed. How will this NOT result in
being sunk in WAR when it didn't work 70x years ago in low-tech WW2?] with
propellers at 110 rpm There was also a weight saving with the turbo-electric
drive being 156 tons versus the 280 tons of equivalent machinery for Cyclops.[5]
Jupiter was
converted into the first U.S. aircraft carrier at the Norfolk Naval Shipyard,
Portsmouth, Virginia. On 11 April 1920, she was renamed Langley in honor
of Samuel Pierpont Langley, an American astronomer, physicist, aeronautics
pioneer and aircraft engineer, and she was given the hull number CV-1. By the
spring of 1921, memories of World War I were swaying [EDITOR: civilian normie]
public opinion away from warship construction toward disarmament. Article VIII
of the Washington Naval Treaty provided an exemption for experimental aircraft
carriers in existence or building on 12 November 1921. The Washington Naval
Treaty was signed on 6 February 1922; and Langley was recommissioned on
20 March 1922 for the purpose of conducting experiments in seaborne aviation.
[EDITOR: no such vigor in the WOKETARDED USN today!] The commanding officer was
Commander Kenneth Whiting, who had first proposed conversion of a collier to
the General Board of the United States Navy three years and twelve days earlier.[7][4]
[EDITOR: GMTA, do we even have such boards today? Just BS digital excuses from
keyboards/mouses.]
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16 mph is
un-survivable in naval warfare; this was already known in the world war
before--WW1. What was the Jupiter/Langley? A technology toy ship for the
Navy's Jessica Lynch underclass?
It's
fatally tragic and ironic that the Jupiter was re-named the Langley
after an aviation pioneer who tried to launch planes without enough flight deck
take-off run from houseboats when this same lack of flight deck while carrying
space-hogging ARMY planes without folding wings on a cut-down flush flight deck
led to her sinking and loss of 700x men's lives in WW2.
The Langley--the
Aircraft Carrier with Flush Flight Deck--Has it Right
At 542 feet long, the Langley's flush flight deck could easily Short Take-Off/Vertical Land (STOVL) operate current F-35B jump jets carrying all possible heavy ordnance especially with a ski jump that marine AV-8B Harrier II pilots found only need 300 feet of flight deck to operate from.
SLV Hitting the Beach = Fast LST
An Australian Stern Landing Ship aka a 30 mph Fast Landing Ship Tank (F-LST) being considered for the USMC LAW requirement with a Langley-type flush flight deck and ski jump could be successfully operated with a ship-steering bridge under this top deck as the Langley did for decades all around the world. In our Aircraft Battle Frigate/Cruiser proposal/essay we advocate a retracting superstructure but we could get the job done simpler by having the bridge underneath the ski jump--even leaving room for a 76mm naval automatic cannon turret for air/sea defensive/offensive firepower.
https://1sttac.blogspot.com/2021/07/futurewarthink-034-mahan-delusional-us.html
Not Even
1x P-40 Sent to Thwart the Flammable Japanese Schnell Bombers?
Absurd
USN Convoys with ZERO AIR COVER
WikiQUOTE:
On the
entry of the U.S. into World War II, Langley was anchored off Cavite,
Philippines.[4][16] On 8 December, following the invasion of the Philippines by
Japan, she departed Cavite for Balikpapan in the Dutch East Indies. As the
Japanese advance continued, Langley proceeded to Australia, arriving in
Darwin on 1 January 1942.[16] She then became part of the
American-British-Dutch-Australian Command (ABDACOM) naval forces. Until 11
January, Langley assisted the Royal Australian Air Force in running
anti-submarine patrols out of Darwin.[4][16]
Langley went to
Fremantle to pick up a cargo of 32x P-40 fighters of the Far East
Air Force's 13th Pursuit Squadron (Provisional), along with U.S. Army Air Force
(USAAF) pilots and ground crews.[16] At Fremantle, Langley and the cargo
ship Sea Witch (loaded with an additional 27 unassembled and crated
P-40s), joined Convoy MS.5 which had just arrived from Melbourne bound for
Colombo, Ceylon with troops and supplies eventually destined for India and
Burma. The convoy was composed of the United States Army Transport Willard
A. Holbrook and the Australian troop transports Duntroon and Katoomba,
escorted by the light cruiser USS Phoenix. [EDITOR could have supplied
AIR COVER--if she hads seaplane fighters instead of just observation types]
MS.5 departed Fremantle on 22 February.[4][17] En route to Colombo, Langley
and Sea Witch were directed by ABDACOM to leave the convoy and instead proceed
individually to deliver the planes to Tjilatjap, Java.[4][17]
In the
early hours of 27 February, Langley rendezvoused with the destroyers USS
Whipple and USS Edsall, which had been sent from Tjilatjap to
escort her.[4][16] [EDITOR: HOW? They had no air cover for themselves, too]
Later that morning, a Japanese reconnaissance aircraft located the formation.
At 11:40, about 75 mi (121 km) south of Tjilatjap, the seaplane tender, along
with Edsall and Whipple were attacked by sixteen (16) Mitsubishi
G4M "Betty" bombers of the Imperial Japanese Navy Air
Service's Takao Kōkūtai, led by Lieutenant Jiro Adachi, flying out of
Denpasar airfield on Bali, and escorted by fifteen (15) A6M Reisen fighters.
Rather than dropping all their bombs at once, the Japanese bombers attacked
releasing partial salvos. Since they were level bombing from medium altitude, Langley
was able to alter helm when the bombs were released and evade the first and
second bombing passes, but the bombers changed their tactics on the third pass
and bracketed all the directions Langley could turn. As a result, Langley
took five hits from a mix of 250 and 60 kilograms (550 and 130 pounds)
bombs as well as three near misses,[18] with 16 crewmen killed.[19][note 1] The
topside burst into flames, steering was impaired, and the ship developed a 10°
list to port.[4][16] Langley went dead in the water as her engine room
flooded. At 13:32, the order to abandon ship was passed.[4]
After
taking off the surviving crew and passengers (Whipple rescued 308 men
and Edsall 177 survivors) at 13:58, the escorting destroyers stood off
and began firing nine 4-inch (100 mm) shells and two torpedoes into Langley's
hull at 14:29 [4] to prevent her from falling into enemy hands, scuttling her
at approximately 8°51'04.2"S 109°02'02.6"E[16] After being
transferred to the oiler USS Pecos, many of Langley's
crew were lost when Pecos was sunk en route to Australia by Japanese
carrier aircraft.[21] Thirty-one of the thirty-three pilots assigned to the
USAAF 13th Pursuit Squadron (Provisional) being transported by Langley remained
on Edsall to be brought to Tjilatjap, but were lost when she was sunk
on the same day by Japanese warships while responding to the distress calls of Pecos.[16]
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Because
of the on-going USAAF/USAF prejudice against folding wings, the P-40s on
the Langley's deck were tightly packed together such that NOT EVEN 1x
could take-off to defend the ship and hundreds of embarked Sailors from enemy
air attack. Not even 1x P-40 on a turn-table catapult or a rail for
self-defensive launching and pilot ditching like the British Hurricats
did.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/YFpUQABlpb3r/
The USN
at that time routinely launched seaplane observation aircraft from turn-table
catapults on battleships, cruisers--and even some destroyers. The know-how
was "on deck". THERE WAS NO FUCKING EXCUSE CREATING A SEAPLANE
TENDER THAT CAN'T DEFEND ITSELF when both feasible fighter aircraft and
turn-table catapults were available. This
BULLSHIT continues to the present day with our centralizing bureaucratic
USN's TIN CAN cruisers/destroyers not operating at least 1x F-35B jump fighter
jet from their stern helipads for self-defensive AIR COVER:
www.combatreform.org/seaplanefighters.htm
YES, the Langley's
flush flight deck distance was cut into for space to crane lift on/off
seaplanes that otherwise could have launched a pair of LTs. Welsh & Taylor
in wheeled P-40s who would have flamed the unarmored Japanese Betty
bombers in short order and then ditched alongside and inflated air bags to
remain afloat for the pilots to be recovered since they couldn't land back
lacking tail-hooks .
1931 USN
Biplane Fighters Had Flotation Air Bags--Why Not Every Naval Aircraft?
http://navsource.org/archives/02/020168.pdf
Every
airplane that regularly flies over water should at least be a semi-seaplane by
skis and watertight airframes that exact ZERO AERODYNAMIC PENALTY on flight
performance.
https://1sttac.blogspot.com/2021/07/retrowarthink-025-doolittles-raiders.html
And no,
STFU with this civilian, normie bureaucratic BS that "air cover should
have been supplied to the Langley and her escort destroyers via a separate unit
aka aircraft carriers". Eva
Green should be issued to me as my wife, too.
Did not
fucking happen.
Remember
the Royal Navy's aircraft carrier, HMS Glorious and her destroyer
escorts gloriously being sunk at the cost of 1, 700x lives lost by German
battleship guns because its idiot submarine tribe captain was in a feud with his
air wing commander 2x years earlier in WW2?
RAF
"air cover" also didn't happen to save the HMS Repulse
& Prince of Wales battleships both lacking their own, organic
seaplane fighters from being sunk by the same fucking Jap Betty schnell
bombers did it? This bureaucratic BS to not make fighting units as
self-sufficient as possible because the USN/RN bureaucracies don't trust
subordinates to be so empowered because the former are uber snobs and have
treated the latter like shit--has to DEAD STOP IMMEDIATELY.
Moreover,
what about all of today's USN's frigate/destroyer/cruiser surface ships who
have only a helipad for crap slow, short-range helicopters which can't air
defend?
In the
1950s, some USN officers were not aircraft carrier mafia dumbshits and realized
EVERY surface ship needs its own fighter cover correctly concluding a
Convair supersonic, SeaDart seaplane fighter could be turn-table
catapult launched for air defense, then land by skis and float by choice--not
emergency ditching--to be crane recovered for re-fuel/re-arm re-use. However,
despite being the 1st seaplane to break the sound barrier, the BS aircraft
carrier mafia got the SeaDart program cancelled, damning us into this
fatal over-reliance on handfuls of stupor carriers that will be awash in flames
and/or sunk at the outbreak of war by drone air/space C4ISR surveillance and
hypersonic PDMs like the CHICOM DF-21 carrier killing ballistic missile.
During
this USN massive defeat at sea, thousands of men/women will be thrown into the
water burned-up, to die of salt water and sun exposure, flesh-eating sharks
(TBATE) and likely CHICOM gunning them to death in the water (TBAM) without
any seaplanes to rescue them:
www.combatreform.org/seaplanetransports.htm
www.combatreform.org/p6mseamaster.htm
"Jaws"
https://tubitv.com/movies/607203/jaws?start=true
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Indianapolis_(CA-35)
At 00:15
on 30 July 1945, Indianapolis was struck on her starboard side by two
Type 95 torpedoes, one in the bow and one amidships, from the Japanese submarine
I-58,[20] captained by Commander Mochitsura Hashimoto, who initially thought he
had spotted the New Mexico-class battleship Idaho.[22] The
explosions caused massive damage. Indianapolis took on a heavy list (the
ship had had a great deal of armament and gun-firing directors added as the war
went on, and was therefore top-heavy)[23] and settled by the bow. Twelve
minutes later, she rolled completely over, then her stern rose into the air and
she sank. Some 300 of the 1,195 crewmen aboard went down with the ship.[4]
With few lifeboats and many without life jackets, the remainder of the crew was
set adrift.[24]
Navy
command did not know of the ship's sinking until survivors were spotted in the
open ocean three and a half days later.
First to
arrive was an amphibious PBY-5A Catalina patrol plane flown by Lieutenant
Commander (USN) Robert Adrian Marks. Marks and his flight crew spotted the
survivors and dropped life rafts; one raft was destroyed by the drop while
others were too far away from the exhausted crew. Against standing orders not
to land in open ocean, Marks took a vote of his crew and decided to land the
aircraft in twelve-foot (3.7 m) swells. He was able to maneuver his craft to
pick up 56 survivors. Space in the plane was limited, so Marks had men
lashed to the wing with parachute cord. His actions rendered the aircraft
unflyable. After nightfall, the destroyer escort USS Cecil J. Doyle, the
first of seven rescue ships, used its searchlight as a beacon and instilled
hope in those still in the water. Cecil J. Doyle and six other ships
picked up the remaining survivors.
Many of
the survivors were injured, and all suffered from lack of food and water
(leading to dehydration and hypernatremia; some found rations, such as Spam and
crackers, among the debris of the Indianapolis), exposure to the
elements (dehydration from the hot sun during the day and hypothermia at night,
as well as severe desquamation due to continued exposure to saltwater and
bunker oil), and shark attacks, while some killed themselves or other survivors
in various states of delirium and hallucinations.[27][28] Only 316 of the
nearly 900 men set adrift after the sinking survived.[4] Two of the rescued
survivors, Robert Lee Shipman and Frederick Harrison, died in August 1945.
Hundreds
of sharks were drawn to the wreck by the noise of the explosions and the scent
of blood in the water. After picking off the dead and wounded, they began
attacking survivors. The number of deaths attributed to sharks ranges from a few
dozen to 150.[29]
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...like
at least saved 316 of the hapless USS Indianapolis light (under 10, 000
tons) cruiser in 1945--WW2's end--after delivering atomic bombs on Tinian
island for USAAF B-29 heavy bombers to drop them on Hiroshima/Nagasaki to
lie-boast ever since that their strategic bombing somehow unilaterally ended
WW2--when it was Soviet Russia's declaration of war that caused the Japanese to
surrender.
EVERY Sailor Must be 24/7 Ready to be Thrown into the Sea if his TIN CAN Surface Ship is Exploded
https://1sttac.blogspot.com/2021/08/tactismart-075-sea-kontrol-begins-with.html
www.combatreform.org/abandonshippreparedtodie.htm
Summary/Conclusion
The shocking reality is what the USN needs today is a fleet of affordable, American shipyard mass-produced, 100x 300 foot-long, flush-deck, ski jump "Langleys" based on the Australian SLV/FLST operating air/sea killer bee platforms as mother ships to convey them across oceans--
...each with 6x Small Fast Boats (SFBs), a pair of 2x F-35B STOVL jump jet and 2x folding-wing SeaWolf Amphibious small seaplane fighters with anti-submarine weaponry, anti-ship and anti-air missiles to synergize a force of over 700x sensor-shooters--far exceeding 300x ship goals. Backed by Long Range Amphibious seaplanes (LRAs) and Attack Patrol Blimps (APBs).
https://1sttac.blogspot.com/2021/06/futurewarthink-032-can-do-generations.html
https://1sttac.blogspot.com/2021/06/tactismart-066-put-out-apb-attack.html
The USN's
lack of imagination and knowledge of its own combat history is intolerable. A large
blue water navy without at least some long-range seaplanes for rescue is
criminal incompetence and must end. The Amerikan penchant for not thinking
about anything is a systemic national illness.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/T8I2Pl21OkY1/
NOTES
PICS: http://navsource.org/archives/02/01.htm
Semper Airborne!
John 3:16
James
Bond is REAL.
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